Anders Andersen

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  Standing for the National Anthem?

  by eyeslice2 in

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  we are currently living in a country where at the cinema the national anthem is played before the start of the movie and it is law that you stand.

  does anyone know what current jw thinking is on this?

  i know there has been various changes over the years.

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  I thought real true Wachtowerians in the first century didn't go to PAGAN theathres and arenas at all. They avoided being pressured into false worship of their nation.
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  clinking of glasses

  by sosad1 in

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  hello all - long ago i posted under sosad..... cant get back under that name so hello again.

  i though i remember in hte last couple of years that there was a change in the strict practice of not clinking glasses and toasting,,, that it was more of a conscience decision.. was i dreaming this?

  any help towards printed information on this subject is very much appreciated..

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  Toasting can 'even now can be viewed as asking ‘heaven’ for a blessing, as if seeking aid from a superhuman force'.

  
  

  Yeah, JW don't like seeking aid from superhuman forces at all. It's not like they ever ask God through Jesus to help them out with angels and holy spirit...

  
  
  
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  clinking of glasses

  by sosad1 in

  1. watchtower
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  hello all - long ago i posted under sosad..... cant get back under that name so hello again.

  i though i remember in hte last couple of years that there was a change in the strict practice of not clinking glasses and toasting,,, that it was more of a conscience decision.. was i dreaming this?

  any help towards printed information on this subject is very much appreciated..

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  Toasting today may not be viewed by many as a religious gesture. Still, there are valid reasons why Christians do not share in toasting, which has a religious background and even now can be viewed as asking ‘heaven’ for a blessing, as if seeking aid from a superhuman force.—Exodus 23:2.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007128#h=1:0-11:881

  That is the most recent thing on toasting I can find (Stay in Gods Love is newer, but simply refers to this article without adding info)

  The article I quote from is an excellent example of how to contradict yourself. Basically there are no real arguments but 'Watchtower says so'. Which may be why some have taken that as 'without Bible base objections, it's a matter of conscience'.

  
  
  

  
  
  
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  You Need to Heal

  by TheLiberator in

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  it has been awhile since i posted.

  but i wanted to say a few things that may help those recovering from the watchtower, especially if you have just discovered ttatt.

  it is with humility that i come here to express these thoughts.

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  But the problem is, you are now in a bigger box (Christianity). The painful truth is, you never chose that box either.

  
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  DO NOT RUN FROM THE WATCHTOWER INTO THE BIGGER BOX. Your exit is your birthday. You simply have not lived yet. YOU NEED TO BE IN CHARGE OF ALL CHOICES

  
  

  Very well explained, and so true. It applies to all of us. Thanks for sharing.
  
  
  
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  The Metropolitan Museum Oasis Bible Tours in NYC

  by Beachlover in

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  2. friends

  i just came home from a day in nyc and was taken to the met for the the woman and her offspring tour i went to keep peace and just enjoy my family.

  i've been to the metrpolitan museum of art on many occasions and have enjoyed spending time wandering thru the exhibits appreciating the art and history.

  since all family members wanted to do the tour by the wts entitled a woman and her offspring, i thought i could just follow along and just enjoy the art and exhibits.. in all honesty, i'm still amazed at this whole tour.

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  Just in case their lack of knowledge of their own religion's history is an issue, this title from the same series is a bit more familiar for most JW:

  
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  The Metropolitan Museum Oasis Bible Tours in NYC

  by Beachlover in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just came home from a day in nyc and was taken to the met for the the woman and her offspring tour i went to keep peace and just enjoy my family.

  i've been to the metrpolitan museum of art on many occasions and have enjoyed spending time wandering thru the exhibits appreciating the art and history.

  since all family members wanted to do the tour by the wts entitled a woman and her offspring, i thought i could just follow along and just enjoy the art and exhibits.. in all honesty, i'm still amazed at this whole tour.

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  What wing and circle symbol did Satan use?

  This one?

  

  And/or this one that good Jehovah worshipping king Hezekiah used?

  

  http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/03/middleeast/king-hezekiah-royal-seal/
  
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  Quite Possibly The Most Sinister Speaker Ever?

  by pale.emperor in

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  hi guys.. "brother" jose is quite possibly the most sinister speaker i've ever seen or heard.

  and i've seen/head a lot of cults in my time.. he's over the top with his voice tone and gestures.

  i see a future governing body member in the making here:.

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  If this guy worked for a different religion/cult and I were still a JW, I'd surely think he's possessed by demons.

  It's a good thing I don't believe any of that nonsense anymore.
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  I Found Something Better Than "The Truth"!

  by Divergent in

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  i often come across jw's using the "worldwide brotherhood" as one of the reasons to justify that jw's have "the truth.

  " such a brotherhood, they claim, would not exist outside the organisation because there is no way that people of different religions, nationalities, races, cultures, backgrounds, languages etc.

  can be united and associate together freely without "the truth!".

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  Huh, just last week I stumbled upon a 2012 newspaper item about a (then) 29 year old ex JW who enjoyed couch surfing very much (too).

  Was that you by any chance? :-)
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  Dutch JW convention hall for sale.

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as the newly expanded convention hall in swifterbant is now in use, the only other jw convention hall in the netherlands is now for sale.. https://congreshal.nl/english/ (congreshal means convention center).. note the links to the brooklyn and ibsa garage sales at the bottom of the page..

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  @Blondie: afaik caretakers still live on premises for the halls here. Not sure about the one being sold though, never been there. Looking at the pictures on the website there appears to be an apartment at the corner of the building.

  The Netherlands have never been a good field for Watchtower to harvest in having one of the worst ratios of publishers to population in the western world. Too many tulips and not enough wheat.

  I dunno...I always thought we had more than enough weed here :-)
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  Dutch JW convention hall for sale.

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as the newly expanded convention hall in swifterbant is now in use, the only other jw convention hall in the netherlands is now for sale.. https://congreshal.nl/english/ (congreshal means convention center).. note the links to the brooklyn and ibsa garage sales at the bottom of the page..

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  Blondie: most of them. Some living close to Belgium will (have to) go to Belgian conventions.